Curse

VGJustice · Nov 22, 2005, 03:44 AM // 03:44

After my total humiliation at the hands of a Boon Prot (and the fact that my guild has one good healer out of everyone), I've decided to attempt the build myself. This is what I came up with.

Attributes:
Blood: 8
Healing: 7 + 1
Protection: 8 + 1
Divine Favor: 12 + 1 + 1

Skills:
Orison of Healing
Reversal of Fortune
Protective Spirit
Mend Ailment
Divine Spirit
Healing Touch
Divine Boon
Offering of Blood {E}

Good gravey, I had no idea I could power heal like that

I added it up, and I came to 146ish for Orison if I used it on someone else. If I'm in trouble, I use HT on myself, along with RoF. And, I can go good for quite a while... right up until I run myself out of energy, because I failed to watch the bar

So, is there anything I could do to make this work a little better? I'm pretty happy with it, but I should probably just practice with it a bit more. You know, get over that stupid energy running out thing.

Hot Dead · Nov 22, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

PvE or PvP?
In PvE you can be very good if you have Well of Blood (lets your energy regen while the health of your team regens)
In PvP take one point out of DV and put some into curses for fainthartedness, since you are a monk, you will be targeted first (by most teams) and you need to stop the tank/ranger from attacking you fast, lets you stay alive long.
In PvE I would change mend ailment for WoB (depends on area)
In PvP fainthartedness for probably protective spirit

Or use WoP instead of OoB

VGJustice · Nov 22, 2005, 04:02 AM // 04:02

should have mentioned, this is for PvP, and more specificly, 4v4 PvP

I'm not so sure about Fainthatedness, that just makes them attack slower, doesn't really stop them. Also, I really dont' like the idea of WoP over OoB. I'd rather get that energy now instead of waiting for that +2 Energy Regen to take effect. I'd rather use OoB then heal myself.

Racthoh · Nov 22, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

I think boon is more effective if you focus on one attribute rather than 2. If you focus solely in healing, you will heal for A LOT. However, it's really overkill, and protection does it very well.

Not very original, but this is what I use:

Offering of Blood {E}
Holy Veil
Mend Ailment
Signet of Devotion (Res Sig if CA)
Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Contemplation of Purity
Divine Boon

I can't remember the attributes off the top of my head, but all I remember is a high divine favor and 10 blood magic.

ange1 · Nov 22, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

ether renewal instead of oob

edit sorry glyph

Vexed Arcanist · Nov 22, 2005, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGJustice

should have mentioned, this is for PvP, and more specificly, 4v4 PvP

I'm not so sure about Fainthatedness, that just makes them attack slower, doesn't really stop them. Also, I really dont' like the idea of WoP over OoB. I'd rather get that energy now instead of waiting for that +2 Energy Regen to take effect. I'd rather use OoB then heal myself.

4v4 Boon Prot Monk

Divine Boon
Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Signet of Devotion
Offering of Blood
Protective Spirit (only use vs Spiking)/Divine Intervention
Mend Ailment
Contemplation of Purity

Attributes: If you believe in Superior Runes then I recommend

12+1+3 Divine Favor
10+1 Protection (I think)
8 Blood

You can go with more blood (10 max), but this works well enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ange1

ether renewal instead of oob

I don't think a 5 second Ether Renewal will be very useful. Energy Storage of ZERO for a Mo/E.

ange1 · Nov 22, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

sorry glyph of renewal

VGJustice · Nov 22, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Racthoh, Vexed, thank you for the ideas. I really like your build, Vexed, I'll have to incorporate some of that into my build, and I guess I should drop Healing Prayers.

One thing though: I think that what you're talking about with Contemplation is to cast it, then remove it. But, that could really kill my energy, because then I'd have to re-cast Divine Boon, and then probably need OoB to get myself back into action. But, with higher blood, that would probably be easier. Allow me to tweak this sucker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ange1

sorry glyph of renewal

Are you sure? I'm running out of energy as it is, if I take that, then I'll run out faster D;

Vexed Arcanist · Nov 22, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGJustice

Racthoh, Vexed, thank you for the ideas. I really like your build, Vexed, I'll have to incorporate some of that into my build, and I guess I should drop Healing Prayers.

One thing though: I think that what you're talking about with Contemplation is to cast it, then remove it. But, that could really kill my energy, because then I'd have to re-cast Divine Boon, and then probably need OoB to get myself back into action. But, with higher blood, that would probably be easier. Allow me to tweak this sucker.

Are you sure? I'm running out of energy as it is, if I take that, then I'll run out faster D;

Contemplation of Purity is soley to remove hexes and conditions in one fell swoop. If you don't like CoP go with another hex remover. However there is no better spell to remove things like Migraine or Conundrum while an interrupter babysits you.

The Glyph of Renewal build is vastly different. It runs with things like Kinetic Armor, Divine Spirit, Glyph of Renewal and no boon. You either run Prot or Heal and keep your kinetic armor up by casting every 7 seconds or less pretty much. All your heal spells are reduced by 5 energy (1 is the lowest a spell can cost) and the Glyph lets you keep Divine Spirit up all the time. It is combo heavy and 1 Rend Enchantments = kaput. In Team Arena you will hit interrupt teams with some spike damage and those will shut down many single monk teams that don't use Mantra of Resolve on the healer, thus Protection is best.

Looking back I see why he suggested Glyph of Renewal, you had Divine Spirit in your build. If you really want a Divine Spirit build I do recommend Mo/E and at least Glyph of Renewal as suggested even if you choose not to use Kinetic Armor. With a Divine Spirit build I wouldn't mess with Signet of Devotion as I suggested.

Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Protective Spirit
Divine Spirit
Glyph of Renewal
Kinetic Armor
Remove Hex
Mend Ailment

At least 8 in Earth would be my recommendation, high Divine Favor, the rest in Protection. You could drop Mend Ailment for another skill and have another member of your team run condition removal (E/Mo spiker/protection, R/Mo with just Mend Ailment from the monk line or maybe even Breeze, etc.).

VGJustice · Nov 22, 2005, 05:39 AM // 05:39

ok, now I understand Glyph of Renewal, thanks for the explanation. Actually, I had Divine Spirit in there as a mis-guided atempt at Energy management.

[EDIT] On a side note, I don't have a problem with "cookie-cutter builds". The way I look at it, it would only be a cookie-cutter build if it worked, and you can't ask for more than that.

Jasso · Nov 22, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

Blood - 10
Prot - 14 (10+4)
DF - 13 (11+2)

RoF
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Mend Ailment
Prot Spirit
Boon
OoB {E}
Contemplation of Purity

This is what i use in 4vs4. Quite effective.

JR · Nov 22, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Glyph of Renewal/Divine Spirit healers are no more than a gimmick. You are devoting one elite, and another skill slot to energy management. Not only that, but they are both reliant on each other, so if one gets shut down, the other one is useless too. It's a build that looks awesome on paper, but there are much better alternatives to ingame.

For energy management; since the nerf to Energy Drain, Offering of Blood is now the single most powerfull for of energy management on the market. I really wouldn't consider running anything else, unless you really wanted that elite slot.

As such, I would agree to some extent with THIS build:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasso

Blood - 10
Prot - 14 (10+4)
DF - 13 (11+2)

RoF
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Mend Ailment
Prot Spirit
Boon
OoB {E}
Contemplation of Purity

This is what i use in 4vs4. Quite effective.

A big fan of boon prots myself. I have been running monks exclusively in PvP for 3 months pretty much, and have yet to come across a build that is quite as versatile, once you get used to it.

However, in reference to your build: A Boon Prot is much more effective at 15 Divine, 9 Prot, 10 Blood. There are no prot skills that benefit hugely from any more than that, and the divine boost makes you a LOT more efficient. If you are going to suffer -1 regen, you may aswell use boon to the best of its ability.

Prot Spirit is a bit of a waste in 4v4 imo, you don't tend to see that much heavy spike. Nothing that you couldn't easily save with a ninja reversal anyway. Instead I would consider throwing in Holy Veil for hex removal.

Jasso · Nov 22, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

A big fan of boon prots myself. I have been running monks exclusively in PvP for 3 months pretty much, and have yet to come across a build that is quite as versatile, once you get used to it.

However, in reference to your build: A Boon Prot is much more effective at 15 Divine, 9 Prot, 10 Blood. There are no prot skills that benefit hugely from any more than that, and the divine boost makes you a LOT more efficient. If you are going to suffer -1 regen, you may aswell use boon to the best of its ability.

Prot Spirit is a bit of a waste in 4v4 imo, you don't tend to see that much heavy spike. Nothing that you couldn't easily save with a ninja reversal anyway. Instead I would consider throwing in Holy Veil for hex removal.

I have to test out those attributes

Thanks for info. About prot spirit.. i have found it a lifesaver more times i can count. Its especially usefull when you have low armor casters on your team = read mesmers

Stops any spiking very nicely.

rii · Nov 22, 2005, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Boon prot goes 12+4df, 10 blood, and 8+1 prot

Offering of blood for energy management
rof for staple heal/anti-spike
prot spirit for anti-spike
mend ailment for conditions
guardian for anti-warrior/ranger
shielding hands for anti-smite/ranger spike/dps
convert for anti-hexes

thats 7 skills and then boon

some people like to make really offensive builds...they throw everything at the enemy to get the kills at the expense of defense. If you like the idea, throw in vampiric gaze or shadow strike/similar on all your monks if mo/n and use it at the spike. The bonus of 150-ish damage (if 3 monks) means you can drop people a lot faster than normal. The energy expense can grate a bit though so a blood ispower/ritual bot can be a useful support character for the said mo/n triplets

if your just sticking with 4v4 i wouldnt bother (although a support/shutdown necro with bip/britual can still work good), but 8v8 the additional damage can make some spike builds go from good to great in terms of spike damage.

White Designs · Nov 22, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Convert Hexes Yuck. 17 energy and a 2 sec cast on an anti-spike character when it works perfectly well at 0 protection.

The only real staples are:
Rof
Oob
Mend
Smite Hex/Holy Veil
Boon

those 5 combine extremely well and provide max utility, the rest of it can be customized most of the time.

Racthoh · Nov 22, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Boon protector is a great way to farm faction easily in the CA. You'll find yourself getting on consecutive wins often.

The beauty of it really in my eyes in Reversal of Fortune. The 1/4 second cast time is what makes it shine, making it nearly impossible to interrupt (NEARLY, had it interrupted 3 times to date). The spell alone will heal you for 100+ health, and the possibility of another 70 or so makes this a 7 energy cast that restores 1/3 of your health.

Akhilleus · Nov 22, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

I think boon is more effective if you focus on one attribute rather than 2. If you focus solely in healing, you will heal for A LOT. However, it's really overkill, and protection does it very well.

right now (because shes stillhaving to get into groups) my monk is a pure healer, and can drop a nearly (in the 290s) 300 point heal other, and a healing touch for just over 200; and the skill-levels arent even max. (shes lvl 18 with no 15-skillpoint quests done yet)

Yamat · Nov 22, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

However, in reference to your build: A Boon Prot is much more effective at 15 Divine, 9 Prot, 10 Blood.

Prot Spirit is a bit of a waste in 4v4 imo, you don't tend to see that much heavy spike.

You were a little off on the stats: should be 11/10/10. But I agree that Prot Spirit is a waste in 4v4...

DF 15 (11+1+3)
Prot 11 (10+1)
Blood 10

RoF
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Mend Ailment
Remove Hex (use on team mates)
Divine Boon
OoB
Res Signet or CoP (CoP for self)

Vexed Arcanist · Nov 22, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamat

You were a little off on the stats: should be 11/10/10. But I agree that Prot Spirit is a waste in 4v4...

DF 15 (11+1+3)
Prot 11 (10+1)
Blood 10

RoF
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Mend Ailment
Remove Hex (use on team mates)
Divine Boon
OoB
Res Signet or CoP (CoP for self)

Shielding Hands does NOTHING vs Ranger Spike, Warrior Spike, Ele Spike. It is only useful vs. normal attacks, that is it. It's slow recycle is crap. Max Protection you save 17 damage per hit, a warrior can lay out well over 100 damage on a skill attack. Reducing that to 40ish > reducing it to 83-130ish.

VGJustice · Nov 23, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Ok, I've tweaked my build a bit, but I'm still having some problems. I think that most of my problems are related to me being bad at the job (no practice = not good D; ) Sooo....

Attributes:
Blood: 10
Protection: 10 + 1
Divine Favor: 11 + 3 + 1

Skills:
Reversal of Fortune
Orison of Healing
Mend Ailment
Guardian
Holy Veil
Contemplation of Purity
Divine Boon
Offering of Blood {E}

Orison is in there because I can still get some good out of it even with nuthing in the stat. Or, level 1 plus a minor rune, if you must. I'm still having huge energy problems, and if I get targeted, I'm basicly doomed. Maybe I'm not casting things in the right order? I also tried Blessed Signet, but it didn't do enough (again, maybe things weren't done in the right order?) I can get some good out of it, but I'm dieing to things that I don't think that I should have died to

There is one other possibility, and that is lag. I've been having spotty lag a lot lately. Qwest FTL D;